Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review

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  • Published: 12 August 2019
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Comments • 6 405

  • Phillipe
    Phillipe  1 weeks back

    Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...

    • jake fever
      jake fever  15 hours back

      @Linus Tech Tips what about the oculus quest

    • Robert Guerra
      Robert Guerra  18 hours back

      and he does mention the rift a little bit 6:29

    • Robert Guerra
      Robert Guerra  18 hours back

      yea but you dont get room scale and precision tracking like you do with the valve

    • xSphinx
      xSphinx  21 hours back

      Had one, returned it because of no external base station tracking. Internal camera room tracking only and lights are definitely needed to be on if its dark for tracking. If you play FPS games, dont use a rift s, get the index.

    • eric smith
      eric smith  22 hours back

      Fmily you’d be surprised. If you could tell 80 from 90 you’d be lying. It looks flawless in the Rift S and I’m hyper sensitive to these types of things.

  • xXRedWolfXx
    xXRedWolfXx  57 minutes back

    If you wish for a better Strap-On Experience, Ask your wife about "pegging".

    • Keter
      Keter  59 minutes back

      Linus "I do wish it was more of a strap-on experience" tech tips

      • C B
        C B  1 hours back

        Does the cat get it's OWN headset to knock things onto the virtual floor during a game?

        • Mr. Blunt
          Mr. Blunt  1 hours back

          Man I’d kick my cats ass to its mouth if it dropped my expensive equipment like that. I’m old fashioned. Nowadays people call that abuse. Smh

          • BangGangEiskalt
            BangGangEiskalt  1 hours back

            Linus "strap-on experience" Sebastian

            • Upwardtitan7624
              Upwardtitan7624  2 hours back

              13:13 that meow melted my heart

              • DBA
                DBA  2 hours back

                your cat must really like boxes

                • David Robinson
                  David Robinson  3 hours back

                  Cute cat. Dead cat!

                  • wee_man135
                    wee_man135  3 hours back

                    The Samsung HMD Odyssey Mixed Reality VR headset is my personal VR headset. It's never disappointed.

                    • Tohdom
                      Tohdom  3 hours back

                      wow. New technology to play the same stupid stand-still shooters? wow...

                      • Jared Bienz
                        Jared Bienz  3 hours back

                        Hey Linus. If your wife is having motion sickness issues I highly recommend spending some time evaluating your graphics pipeline. I recently got an Index myself and started having motion sickness again (though I hadn't experienced it since my original DK2). And personally, I'm running a 1080 TI.

                        Some things I recommend you try:

                        1. Get an app called fpsVR from Steam and run it before the game. Check to make sure your frame rates really are what you think they are. Some of the tech in SteamVR can make you think there are more frames than they are, but this tech can also wreak havoc on those that suffer from simulator sickness.
                        2. Open Steam VR settings and pay attention to the performance metrics. Especially pay attention to Reprojection and Motion Smoothing. If your rig is not able to keep up with the refresh rate of the display (90, 120 or 144) it will drop into one of these two modes.
                        3. Reprojection is the worst because it's having to reuse old frames. This is also seen as Judder. But I personally believe that even Motion Smoothing was making me sick. Motion Smoothing tries to create new frames based on path prediction. But if, for example, you quickly turn your head, you may end up with a frame drawn on the predicted path rather than the actual path. I believe this is what was making me sick. I recommend turning Motion Smoothing OFF and reducing your quality settings until you hit the target frame rate.
                        4. Check your quality settings. Both under the Frame Timing AND under the Application tab. If Frame Timing is 150% (the default recommended value for the Valve Index, BTW), all games will run at 150% even if their Application settings are at 100%. My 1080 TI was struggling to keep up with the default 150% metric, which was dropping it into Motion Smoothing. Again, I recommend turning OFF Motion Smoothing and turning your quality settings down (in-game, in the Steam VR settings or both) until your hardware can hit the target without assitance.
                        5. Pick the right balance between 120 Hz and 144 Hz. 144 Hz will help with simulator sickness but at the cost of visual fidelity. If your wife is especially susceptible you might want to choose 144 Hz over the graphics quality. But that will be a balance that's up to her.
                        6. Consider a graphics card upgrade. I will be switching to a 2080 TI soon, but even the much cheaper 2080 Super would allow you to render significantly more visual fidelity while also maintaining 144 Hz.

                        Best of luck. I feel her pain, so do let us know what you find and I hope she's able to enjoy VR soon without the sickness!

                        • Joshua
                          Joshua  3 hours back

                          Linus got the wii u

                          • John Doe
                            John Doe  4 hours back

                            so what ever comes after index will be ready to buy ... wel if the drop the price to somthing like 250

                            • Zulatek666
                              Zulatek666  4 hours back

                              This was a great video Linus. Please make more videos like this! I would love to hear your opinion of the Rift S compared to this.

                              • gnarlin
                                gnarlin  4 hours back

                                Does the cat come standard or do you have to pay extra?

                                • lo l
                                  lo l  4 hours back

                                  The wire is still obnoxious. the headset is still uncomfortable after long periods. Games are still glorified demos. You have to have all your lights on for tracking. its expensive as all hell. I dont have the index but if they somehow fixed all those problems. Maybe it isn't dead :D. Finger movement was the last thing I was concerned about them fixing xD.

                                  • Nick Heyer
                                    Nick Heyer  4 hours back

                                    "Meat Handle" and "Strap On experience"? Linus, you've got some demons, don't you?

                                    • Pvt. Pepe
                                      Pvt. Pepe  4 hours back

                                      +1 for box kitty

                                      • Beeg Yoshi
                                        Beeg Yoshi  4 hours back

                                        I keep on seeing them everywhere.

                                        • Independent Thought
                                          Independent Thought  4 hours back

                                          Is the cat sold seperately.

                                          • Sarcasm
                                            Sarcasm  5 hours back

                                            why is there a cat in the box

                                            • Vinnie
                                              Vinnie  5 hours back

                                              Liked for feline free gift included in VR kit.

                                              • Lain
                                                Lain  5 hours back

                                                Cat in the box is for the internet connection.

                                                • Ethan DeBee
                                                  Ethan DeBee  5 hours back

                                                  he’s contradicting himself being like “this is the first time i’m trying the headset” and then being like “yeah i got some pressure points on my nose THE FIRST night” then opening up the box and the cat being inside 😂 clear he is definitely acting but very good review!

                                                  • Mayor Doctor
                                                    Mayor Doctor  5 hours back

                                                    should we just ignore that linus has a katana as the center piece of his fireplace???

                                                    • Voj Nov
                                                      Voj Nov  5 hours back

                                                      This seems like a hassle. Until they make this half the price and completely wireless it won´t be very popular. But that will take probably like five to ten years.

                                                      • Daydricoldsmith
                                                        Daydricoldsmith  5 hours back

                                                        Comes with a cat preinstalled in the box.. just to let you know...

                                                        • phishly.
                                                          phishly.  6 hours back

                                                          7:53 CONSIDRIBLY

                                                          • falmatrix2r
                                                            falmatrix2r  6 hours back

                                                            It's nice to get a free cat with the unit, until you realize they send it to knock your stuff off!!

                                                            • Cheesynoodlemccheese
                                                              Cheesynoodlemccheese  6 hours back

                                                              Linus your cat is sooo cute!

                                                              • Paradise Decay
                                                                Paradise Decay  7 hours back

                                                                VR was never dead! You just used it for clicks!

                                                                • Alan Peach
                                                                  Alan Peach  7 hours back

                                                                  13:05 - When people say cats are cute/ or clever, this is what I think of, annoying stupid little d***heads. Team Dog forever. I literally judge people that are willing to let a cat walk all over them inside their own home

                                                                  • Danny B
                                                                    Danny B  7 hours back

                                                                    sure pay 1k for vr kit to play 20$ tech demos... I wait till there is some actually good stuff in vr and by then headsets most likely are better and cheaper

                                                                    • Underwhere5
                                                                      Underwhere5  7 hours back

                                                                      why don't you get your hands on some clippers and get them neck hairs while your at it buddy

                                                                      • SchiferlED
                                                                        SchiferlED  8 hours back

                                                                        In regards to the displayport length limitations, I tried a 15ft extension cable and it does *not* work. I tested the cable on my monitors and it "tried" to work but eventually fails. 15ft seems to be the upper limit for the displayport cable (which is a rather annoying limitation for VR).

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                                                                        • Supxrcharged Gaming
                                                                          Supxrcharged Gaming  8 hours back

                                                                          5:52 looks like Bubbles glasses from Trailer Park Boys

                                                                          • Kristiaan Calitz
                                                                            Kristiaan Calitz  8 hours back

                                                                            Imagine HTC creates a Vive index just cause Linus said Vive index and they listen to him.

                                                                            • Sunny S Kupa Newman
                                                                              Sunny S Kupa Newman  8 hours back

                                                                              “Speaking of worth it” 0:56

                                                                              Nice

                                                                              • Jacob Bingham
                                                                                Jacob Bingham  9 hours back

                                                                                I pAyEd 400 FoR a PsVr WhEn It CaMe OuT

                                                                                I wish it was like the vive with the lighthouses rather than the PlayStation camera which is poop if you turn around

                                                                                • Søren Goul
                                                                                  Søren Goul  9 hours back

                                                                                  oculus rift s really good headset so you don't have to think infrared senses for they are on headset and it works amazingly well linus you should try it

                                                                                  • PinXter GangZter
                                                                                    PinXter GangZter  9 hours back

                                                                                    3:33 confusion 100

                                                                                    • Cee Dee
                                                                                      Cee Dee  9 hours back

                                                                                      VR is still dead for me. They got a long way to go!

                                                                                      • wolfman 65
                                                                                        wolfman 65  9 hours back

                                                                                        The new valve index now with a brand new "cat" with every purches




                                                                                        *WARNING*
                                                                                        The valve index is not responsibl for eny injery cousd by "cat"
                                                                                        Discretion is advised
                                                                                        "Cat" may not like you

                                                                                        • Harry Longshaft
                                                                                          Harry Longshaft  10 hours back

                                                                                          4:40 The cardboard box has been spotted

                                                                                          • Gesang Paudra Jaya
                                                                                            Gesang Paudra Jaya  10 hours back

                                                                                            so, is the cat included in vr package?

                                                                                            • Tom Vernon
                                                                                              Tom Vernon  10 hours back

                                                                                              still on the rift cv1 and still loving it :)

                                                                                              • Fool
                                                                                                Fool  10 hours back

                                                                                                Linus is a lesbian. He even said himself that he prefers strap ons. Jk